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Ep 684: Building TNR That Lasts: A Data-Driven Model From Penang, with Daniel Leung, Co-Founder and CEO of Catsoterra

September 29, 2026

October 6, 2026

Ep 685: Feeding Plans, Not Feeding Plans, with Danielle Bays, Senior Program Manager for Cat Protection and Policy at Humane World for Animals

“We’re not hiding in back alleys in the dark at night. We’re out there on the streets, on the front lines, and we’re in city hall.”

This episode is sponsored-in-part by Maddie’s Fund, OcuTrap, and Jessica Dolce, Compassion Fatigue + Grief Educator.

Danielle Bays planned to be a veterinarian until a cat with his leg caught in a leghold trap was left in the parking lot of the clinic where she worked. He recovered, but the question stayed with her: how does this happen in the first place? That question led her into animal policy, and years later a family of feral cats in her new backyard brought her back to cats and to building a citywide community cat program for Washington, D.C.

In this conversation with Stacy, Danielle explains where the laws that affect cats are really made: at your city council and county commission, not in Congress. The people in those seats are your neighbors. They have a lot on their plates, and you should assume they know nothing about TNR. Her advice is to introduce yourself before there’s a problem, because the first thing an official usually hears about cats is a complaint.

That’s often how feeding bans happen. Danielle describes how cats get folded into wildlife feeding restrictions without anyone noticing until the ordinance has passed. She also lays out the alternative: timed meals instead of food left out, clean sites, permission from property owners, and caretakers who feel safe feeding in the open. As she points out, once you prohibit something, you can no longer monitor whether it’s being done well.

Danielle and Stacy also get into return-to-field, including what sets it apart from TNR and why the updated Return-to-Field Handbook moves away from yes-or-no rules toward decisions about each individual cat. They close with the veterinary shortage and a reminder for tense times: whatever someone’s politics, you can almost always find common ground by talking about cats.

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  • Why the laws that matter most for cats are made locally
  • What to say to elected officials before the first complaint reaches them
  • How cats end up included in wildlife feeding bans
  • What a community feeding plan looks like in place of a ban
  • What to do when new, un-ear-tipped cats show up in your yard
  • How return-to-field differs from TNR, and who makes the decision
  • Why the veterinary shortage and feeding bans are both access-to-care issues
  • Stacy’s holiday card idea for getting on your representatives’ radar

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